Thursday, October 28, 2010
David Gletty, FBI informant and Vonbluvens good friend gives interview to CNN
My next guest infiltrated hate groups on behalf of the FBI acting undercover as a neo-Nazi sympathizer and white supremacist. And he even gave some fiery speeches.
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DAVID GLETTY, INFILTRATED HATE GROUPS FOR FBI: As I was coming out of the store after paying for gas (EXPLETIVE DELETED) tried robbing me with broken bottles. They couldn't afford knives or whatever, so they had broken bottles.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They stole those.
GLETTY: So, as I was -- as I'm coming out, they are like, man, give me your money, everything will be all right.
Well, Kevin (INAUDIBLE) sees what's going on, so he gives me the signal, like, I'm coming. Move. So, as he is running at them from behind, I kick one bottle out of the hand and move to the side. And he clotheslines these two guys. They just slammed...
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BLITZER: Let's talk to the investigation right now, David Gletty. He's the author of the book "Undercover Nazi: The FBI Infiltration of Extremist Groups in America."
David, thanks very much for coming in.
You spent four years pretending you were a neo-Nazi; is that right?
GLETTY: Yes, that is right.
BLITZER: How -- how worried are you about these guys? Is it just talk for the most part, or what we saw yesterday, is there action that's being planned out there, potentially deadly action?
GLETTY: Wolf, there's actions planned. Like, myself and my investigative partner, Joe, we infiltrated them for many years. We were a part of meetings they had.
Many times, they would plan terrorist acts. And a couple times, the groups that we did infiltrate did go through with some terrorist acts. One was 2006 Jacksonville, Florida. They went and shot up a building with assault rifles to close down a communist rock 'n' roll festival that was supposed to go on. That event was canceled. And that was a terrorist act.
So, no matter how crazy they act, we need to take everything they say seriously, just I like did while working undercover, and do not let anything, any rock go unturned.
BLITZER: And you have suggested that these guys, basically, the violent ones, they go out in groups of, what, two or three. They don't really act alone; is that right?
GLETTY: Yes. What we call them is splinter cells, where they have groups of two or three, sometimes four. And they work separate than the large group.
Most of these people, especially the elders in the groups, they know that the movement is infiltrated by operatives like myself and criminal informants. So, they know that, any big events, to keep your mouth shut, don't discuss any plans when you have more than four or five, six people in a room.
Then, after these large events, say a rally, they have the little after-parties. And that's when they are around drinking beer, cooking food, just like an all-American barbecue. And they will go into a back bedroom, sit at a table, whip out their laptop computers, bring up satellite photos of targets that they want to hit, and they will have the main guys there. And myself and my investigative, Joe -- my investigative partner, Joe, were privy, because we built our characters so well to fit in with these guys. They invited us to some of these parties. And we were able to stop some of these smaller terrorist acts and prevent people from being harmed. But we would get them on recording devices.
And there are guys in prison because of the recording devices that we wore. And you cannot beat your own voice in front of a judge talking about these terrorist acts. Then we would get them on recording device committing the acts. And then get them on recording bragging about the acts. There is nothing you can do about that. And they go to prison.
BLITZER: That's pretty strong, pretty strong evidence.
The 88-year-old suspect in this case, did your paths ever cross?
GLETTY: Yes, sir, I believe, back in 2006. I believe it was early 2006 up at a Klan rally at the Klan -- the old redneck shop, the only Klan museum in the United States of America.
And, these guys, they are proud. They are proud of having that museum. And a lot of times during these museums, they would have 400 people there. And Sonny Hodges (ph), he vouched for myself and my investigative partner, Joe. He brought us into the Klan. And that was very important, building our character.
And Mr. Von Brunn was pointed out to myself and Joe. We were told that he was a hero in the white power movement because he served time in prison for the white power movement. And they consider him or any white person in jail for a racially -- for a racial crime as a POW, a prisoner of war, held in prison by the imperialistic government.
BLITZER: Well, you say that they usually act in groups of three. Do you believe James Von Brunn, the suspect yesterday, acted alone or had others who knew or helped him plot this?
GLETTY: Well, I hate to go against what some of the other police officers and detectives have said.
But, from my knowledge, working undercover, I know, pretty strongly, I guarantee there is at least two or three other people out there that knew Mr. Von Brunn, what he was up to. And they helped in some part of the planning.
He might have been the only one that acted out in the violence. But I guarantee you, there are other people that knew exactly what was going to happen.
BLITZER: You are a very -- you're a very courageous guy to have done for four years what you did. hand you are still courageous right now for speaking out.
How worried are you, given the fact that there are some bad guys out there watching you?
GLETTY: Well, I know that a group of 10 people are not going to show up here and gun me down in the streets. It's the lone wolves I'm worried about.
And those are the hardest ones to infiltrate. Those are the more intelligent people, intelligent as far as not sharing their ideas with -- with everyone at the party. Those are the ones that are very careful. A handpicked few members of their crew are the only ones there during the meetings.
And we need to take this serious. I am not saying this to scare people, but they are out there. And these guys are actively making plans. And they might sit down and plan out some acts. Sometimes, they back down because they get afraid of being caught.
But I guarantee you, they are out there right now, as we speak, hailing Mr. Von Brunn as a hero. And now they want to follow up with their own type of terrorist act.
GLETTY: And that's what it is.
Go ahead, sir.
BLITZER: No, I was going to say -- I was going to thank you. But if you had one final thought, quickly, say it.
GLETTY: I was going to say, we, as Americans, need to stay vigilant and all keep an eye out for each other. It is common sense. When you see something wrong, like a guy with something bulky under his jacket, we need to act.
BLITZER: David Gletty, thanks very much for joining us.
GLETTY: And thank you, sir.
BLITZER: Good luck.
David Gletty infiltrated these groups for four years for the FBI.